Transcribed Interview:

Steven Lambert:

“Anybody who says otherwise about this story are liars it’s that simple because they weren’t there.”

Viking Samurai:

“I do want to talk about Steven Seagal, you are one of the four actual eyewitnesses to this whole Gene LeBell, Steven Seagal story correct?”

Steven Lambert:

Well, I think there’s more than four, but yes I am. I had a friend of mine speaking of Steven Seagal and Gene LeBell, friend of mine called me and informed me that you did a podcast already on this.

(Editor Note: You can view that video here)

https://youtu.be/2yFI_PhGPbc

Steven Lambert:

And uh I listened to it, and yeah there were a few mistakes where you mentioned that you had read the story and when you told the story it wasn’t quite right.

Viking Samurai:

Oh, we definitely want to make sure and get the real story from the actual witness.

Steven Lambert:

Referring to my great friend and a wonderful talent Conrad Palmisano, there was conversation in there that I felt the audience was having trouble believing my story. That was completely true! So there were two bodyguards, which were Steven Seagal’s. It was Steven Seagal, it was Gene LeBell there was uh Lincoln Simonds, who is stunt guy, who was with me in my honey wagon and myself. So there were six people there okay. There was no Conrad Palmisano, nobody else.

When you’re working on a show, the honey wagons, the trailers are situated in a configuration kind of like a wagon train would do when the Indians are coming after them, they circle so nobody on the outside can come in or see what’s going on in the inside so that was the circumstance, that’s why there were only a six there which is two bodyguards, LeBell, Seagal, Lincoln Simonds and nobody else was there, nobody else experienced it, nobody else saw it. You know the people who have conversations with it on video and in magazines, I say, “shame on them because they weren’t there and so they have no business.”

Like god bless her Ronda Rousey you know, I discuss her with a few other people in the book you know it’s kind of shameful how she speaks about the situation because she wasn’t there and she says things that that kind of make me scratch my head and should make others scratch their head. She brings up the style of aikido and says aikido isn’t a very good style, which every martial artist should take offense to. Even she should take offense to that because what she does has aikido in it. you know and what she says about the situation and what went on she wasn’t there as some others said too and you shouldn’t have an idea of what went on when you weren’t there so you know it’s a very disappointing being that she’s a black belt and she’s over 21 and she should have a little bit more maturity to figure out you know you don’t put down, a person or you don’t say things that simply aren’t true.

I mean Seagal didn’t piss in his pants, he didn’t go into convulsions, but there was a confrontation, it was a difficult physical confrontation, but it didn’t have anything to do with pissing in his pants and or going into convulsions. What happened was, yeah you know perspective uh honey wagons trailers Lincoln Simonds and I were in our own, we were sharing one um playing parts on the show, playing ourselves and we were in our trailer getting dressed with the wardrobe they wanted us to wear. We came out, we got dressed, we came out. I came out first and I happened to open the door and I saw Seagal and LeBell and the two bodyguards um talking in front of the honey wagon.

LeBell’s honey wagon, his trailer uh that he put wardrobe on so uh and and we were probably a good 30-35 feet away and I looked uh in back in in the in the trailer and I said, “Hey Lincoln, LeBell’s talking to Seagal, let’s go see if you know we can join in you know just innocently, so I jump down and I start walking over and Lincoln’s about 10 feet in back of me and jumps down and we start walking over. We get there and uh they’re just having a simple conversation in front of each other and you know it’s it’s Seagal and you know the two bodyguards are on each side of them you know like the Adonis you know king and LeBell, and they’re talking about moves and introducing themselves being casual and entertaining and everything’s light and they start talking to about different techniques and uh, they’re talking about a chokehold and Seagal starts the conversation and he goes, “I see the way you do your choke holds”. Seagal was disagreeing on um the way that the LeBell would do it and LeBell said, “well, let me explain to you how I do it let me show you”.

Now as you being a black belt, the martial artist when you work with somebody a master a black belt you know even somebody uh that is a white belt, um when you’re working with somebody, when you’re showing somebody it’s an automatic known fact, a rule that you go slow, you’re having a conversation, you’re teaching you’re showing, you’re expressing your movement and that’s just what LeBell was doing in slow motion and he walks around Seagal and he’s in back of him facing his back and Seagal’s kind of looking. Overlooking, we see the the two by guards looking and Lincoln and I are kind of, we’re in back of one side and back of uh LeBell, watching, very innocent you know and and LeBell starts to put his hands around Seagal and very slowly, the minute his hands go around Seagal’s neck, before he even touched them, you know graze them, Seagal just side steps full blast and forearms LeBell, you know, bang forearms, right in his crotch!

I mean if I told you if I spread my legs and I said, “hit me in the crotch with your forearm as hard as you can”, and that’s what Seagal did and LeBell jumped up like three feet in the air and I see LeBell’s face and it’s literally three feet in the air and the moment his toes touched the ground he just sidestepped and spun his hand around the front of Seagal’s neck and took his leg and put it in back of Seagal’s feet and just threw his arm back and threw his leg forward and Seagal went flying about four feet high and landed right on his butt and back. The bodyguards looked at Seagal and I looked at Seagal and I looked at Lincoln and everything. This is in slow motion and Lincoln’s mouth was open and my mouth was open. I was shocked because that was full blast, everything was full blast until then, and the bodyguards looked at Seagal and after he looked they looked at uh Seagal they looked at LeBell and I’m watching this and this happened a matter of a split second, and I’m thinking, “oh my god”, here comes a huge fight because I’m thinking the bodyguards are looking at LeBell and the bodyguards look back at Seagal and I look back at Seagal and Seagal shakes his head like a no.

The minute Seagal did that with his head, the bodyguards stood down because they were like almost in reaction mode, confrontation reaction mode and like I said, this happened in a matter of moments and the minute LeBell felt like you know everything was easing up, he stuck out his hand and said, “but if I did that let me show you what you could do”. Then LeBell helped him up and I was scared that something else was going to go on so I ran to get the stunt coordinator, Conrad Palmisano and he was busy with the camera set-ups.

He had producers, directors, the dp, everybody listening to him, so I’m in back and I’m waiting for the right moment because you can’t just barge in, you don’t want people to know, you don’t want to make a big thing out of this right, so I go in back of him waiting for the right moment and I kind of leaned to his ear and I said, “Conrad, there’s a confrontation with Seagal and LeBell at base camp, you know, you better get over here and break it up”. Well he didn’t understand what I was saying so he ignored me and I’m just looking and he’s continuing with his camera work, so I walk away kind of hesitant five-ten feet away and all of a sudden he pops up and he realizes what’s going on and he runs over there and he yells to LeBell.

Before he even gets over there, you know he’s like 40 feet away and yells, “LeBell, get back to your trailer!” LeBell looks at him and goes to his trailer, right back to his trailer and that was the end of that and that’s what happened. Now, who told who, got it out, who spread it out? I know I didn’t. I know Lincoln didn’t, at least I believe Lincoln. I don’t know if the bodyguards did it, I don’t know if Seagal did it, leaked it out. I don’t know if Gene LeBell leaked it out.

Gene LeBell I love him, you see how close Gene Lebell and I are in the in the movies, but Gene LeBell is a showman right? Um I don’t think he would tell a lie, I think that lie, that rumor, that part of it with Seagal pissing in his pants and going into convulsions, I think it was spread by somebody else, somebody who was writing the story you know, somebody to somebody to somebody, but I believe Lebell would never say what was said to the magazines and all that if I had to guess. And also, let me say, I feel horrible for Steven Seagal, he deserved what he got because he started it, but the after occurrence, all these years later was brutal.

Viking Samurai:

Yeah, because he’s still getting crap about it and I just wanted to you know give the audience full context. So you just want the truth out there. Obviously, if anything, you and Gene LeBell are good buds and if you were going to be biased you would just go with Gene LeBell because he’s your buddy, but obviously the truth matters more to you.

Steven Lambert:

Exactly what I told you just now, exactly what I have in the book, is what happened. I’ve seen Gene LeBell many times, he’s read my story, says that’s exactly what happened. If you put Gene LeBell and I together on an interview and I look at him and I say, “didn’t what I wrote in the book Gene, isn’t that exactly what happened? He’ll tell you, that’s exactly what happened.”

Viking Samurai:

Yeah, I don’t doubt that at all.

Steven Lambert:

I think it’s interesting, I think, and we’ve discussed this already, I’ve teased Gene LeBell, but he tells me that he didn’t say, that somebody else said that, he can’t figure out who, but he’ll play with you if you interview him, he’ll play with you because Gene is a showman.

Viking Samurai:

You know, I think he likes the idea that the story is out there because I see him in other interviews where he won’t like necessarily confirm or deny it. I think because he got whacked in the balls essentially, he just likes that this story is out there, almost like it’s deserving of that happening to Seagal because of the incident that happened. So I kind of feel like maybe one of the bodyguards told the real story and the guy who heard the story probably added something and then told someone else and they added something and then it’s become into this essentially.

Steven Lambert:

That’s usually the way it starts. Like I said, you know it’s Seagal’s fault, it’s his fault. I also said I feel bad for him, it’s brutal because it’s carried on this long but if he would have admitted it in a playful way with respect at the beginning or in the middle or even now, it would go away. A couple of people have called me and said what do you think would happen if we got them together? I said, “well I’m sure Gene would come, but Seagal’s got to get off his high horse”, and the trick is is to make it funny. Make it funny when they meet, because I’m sure LeBell would make it funny.

(Lambert mimicking LeBell) “You know come here Steven, you know yeah you know your ball shot really made me fly in the sky. How’d you like me putting you on your back”.

(Lambert mimicking Seagal) “Well LeBell, you’re one of the few that has ever been able to put me on my back. I congratulate you for that.”

Steven Lambert (back as himself) You know, it could be humorous and it would all go away. Yeah, that’d be great if that played out I’ve suggested that to a few interviewers that’s called me up privately you know and Seagal refuses to do that.

Viking Samurai:

I think our interview is basically the only one with one of the actual witnesses that’s going to be out there because you did two interviews with Palmisano and Balicki and Seagal where you were telling the story but it sounded like they wanted to bad-mouth Gene LeBell and kind of turn it into somethying else.

Steven Lambert:

Well that’s a whole ‘nother story, it’s connected. I tell three or four stories there connected in the book. You’re talking about there was one at the Beverly Hills hotel and there was one um at uh, a circus guy’s house. The circus guys house was the first interview that didn’t come out for some reason so we did one at another place, at the Beverly Hills hotel. So there’s three or four connections, meetings with that. So basically the audience has to buy this book to get all the details, but um the one in the Beverly Hills hotel was a mind blower and you know read that part in detail, because it was scary and I can’t tell you what went on entirely! Even in the book, there’s one part of it that I talk about that you have to fantasize, but Seagal has that video, what really went on, and he threatens every now and then to put out that video. They try to trick me into badmouthing LeBell, but I was smart enough, I have Brooklyn street sense. In the book, I explained that I stopped the interview once or twice and got really pissed off and what occurred in there was a mind blower, and like I said there’s a certain part of it where I kind of go away from what was said and yeah you have to think about it, what the hell could possibly have gone on then Seagal has the whole video, and like I said, he threatens every now and then to show the video claiming that he has film of me and is you know saying something about Gene LeBell, and I go, “show it because you tried and I said cut and I told you I don’t like it I told you Seagal I don’t like that you are trying to get me the bad mouth and blame it on Gene LeBell”, and they had to cut the film twice and I said, “I made an agreement on this meeting, this interview at the Beverly Hills hotel that the only thing I will say on this video that Seagal did not pee in his pants and he did not go into convulsions that’s all I’m here to say because Conrad Palmisano asked me, a friend of mine, and that’s all I’m gonna say, my name is Steve lambert, I’m here to say the Seagal LeBell confrontation, Seagal did not piss in his pants, did not go into convulsions end the story”. I was there and I explained it.

Viking Samurai:

Yeah, well I’m glad I could post it on this channel because you know it’s perfect for my audience to get the truth and it’s kind of great to have you basically tell the story.

Steven Lambert:

And let me say again, because you know I can’t reiterate this more right? Anybody who says otherwise about this story are liars. it’s that simple, because they weren’t there. The producers, the directors, whoever, only the six were there, nobody else saw it.